Θεσμοφοριάζουσες Thesmophoriazusae Was Performed In Athens In BCE, Most Likely At The City Dionysia, And Is Among The Most Brilliant Of Aristophanes Eleven Surviving Comedies It Is The Story Of The Crucial Moment In A Quarrel Between The Tragic Playwright Euripides And Athens Women, Who Accuse Him Of Slandering Them In His Plays And Are Holding A Meeting At One Of Their Secret Festivals To Set A Penalty For His Crimes Thesmophoriazusae Is A Brilliantly Inventive Comedy, Full Of Wild Slapstick Humor And Devastating Literary Parody, And Is A Basic Source For Questions Of Gender And Sexuality In Late Th Century Athens And For The Popular Reception Of Euripidean Tragedy Austin And Olson Offer A Text Based On A Fresh Examination Of The Papyri And Manuscripts, And A Detailed Commentary Covering A Wide Range Of Literary, Historical, And Philological Issues The Introduction Includes Sections On The Date And Historical Setting Of The Play The Thesmophoria Festival Aristophanes Handling Of Euripidean Tragedy Staging Thesmophoriazusae II And The History Of Modern Critical Work On The Text All Greek In The Introduction And Commentary Not Cited For Technical Reasons Is Translated

c 446 BCE c 386 BCE was a playwright of ancient Athens About 11 of his works are known in full, and they are the only plays of the Old Comedy style to have survived They are The Acharnians, The Birds, The Clouds, The Ecclesiazusae, The Frogs, The Knights, Peace, Plutus Wealth , The Thesmophoriazusae, and The Wasps These plays have been translated into many languages and continue to be staged or adapted for theatrical productions.Aristophanes satirized the political and social issues of 5th century BC Athens, such as the ongoing Peloponnesian War, the structure of the city state, the role of women in public life, and the influence of philosophers notably Socrates in shaping public opinion.

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  1. says:

    Secret Women s Business14 June 2012 I actually quite like Aristophanes, not because he is a brilliant playwright, though since eleven of his works have survived 2500 years I really do not think that I am in a position to comment on his ability Obviously there is a reason, and probably a good reason, not only why his plays have managed to survive, but that his plays managed to survive a somewhat puritan Dark Ages where pretty much anything that wasn t Christian was discarded Okay, that is probably a bit too general since the Catholic Church didn t really begin banning books until after the Catholic Reformation and despite my respect for my former Church History Lecturer, I still somewhat disagree with his assessment of the Catholic Reformation Aristophanes comedies stand out in two ways first of all they give as an insight into the common people of Athens of the 4th century, and also gives us an understanding, and some very good examples, of the vernacular language It is the difference between reading a book written in proper English and a book that relies heavily upon a region s slang such as Australia for instance, the word sook and prima donna mean the same thing, but in Australia we use the former, where as the latter is probably a polite and correct usage The second thing about Aristophanes plays is that they are incredibly imaginative, and in some cases quite fantastic Moreso, the plays are actually pretty funny and remains so despite the 2500 year gap and the language complications Okay, a lot of the humour such as the puns are lost, however the Barrett translation of his works is still very good and he even manages to use a rhyme scheme in places, noting that English is probably the only language, at least what I know of, that uses rhyme as a poetical form The Thesmophoriazusae is one of those interesting, and imaginative, plays that also gives us a bit of an insight into Classical Athens Remember that the tragedies are written in a stylised language, and people do not, and have not, transacted like that People in Elizabethan England did not talk to each other using blank verse and Shakespearian language While the vernacular was no doubt a lot different to what it is now, they still used it The only time such high form language would have been used would have been in diplomacy, and even then I can t imagine Queen Elizabeth and the King of France speaking to each other or even writing to each other in blank verse The play is set around a festival known as the Thesmophoria, which was a woman s only festival that lasted three days at a place known as the Pynx Having read this play I have now learnt that the Pynx was the location of the assembly I always thought it was the Areopagous, but that was the high court Type Pynx into Google Images to get an idea of what it looked like, and I have also managed to locate it on the Google Maps image of Athens It is located to the west of the Acropolis just to the southwest of the intersection of Dimitriou Aiginitou and Apostolou Pavlou From what I can remember of Athens, there is a promenade that runs along the south side of the Acropolis, and then another path to the west heads uphill, past the Areopogaus, and then curves around to the north of the Acropolis with a gate that leads to the Agora Anyway, you do not take that path, but actually continue along the promenade to the west, and it will then curve to the north, but you should be able to find it and if you don t ask somebody, they do tend to be quite helpful in Greece Okay, that is enough of me showing off how well I know Athens after spending only a week there, so now onto the play The play is about Euripides and how he learns that the women of Athens are upset about his portrayal of them, so he decides to sneak into the Thesmophoria in an attempt to convince the women that he was not all that bad However, his plan involved a young Athenian who had yet grown a beard all Athenian men had beards, some quite long at that to disguise himself as a woman and sneak into the festival However, this young Athenian didn t want anything to do with it so he gets his brother in law, the foul mouthed Mnesilochus, to do it instead Obviously getting Mnesilochus to act like a woman was never going to work, and sure enough he ends up getting found out and tied to a stake to be executed However Euripides comes in and convinces them through a fine sounding argument to release him This play is clearly about women and their role in Athenian society It is not incredibly deep, but it is clear that the women, despite their lower status in the society, did have some freedom, and also the right to religious celebration as is clear with the Thesmophoria These women though are compared to two women from antiquity, namely the model wife that is Penelope, and Euripides presentation of Helen Sections of the play actually recite Euripides Helen, and while I will not go into details of that play here, I will simply mention that the purpose behind Helen was to redeem her in the eyes of the Athenians Euripides borrowed from a legend that had the Helen of Troy as nothing than a mischievous phantom, and that the real Helen had been kidnapped by the king of Egypt and that was were she spent the war In Euripides mind, Helen was innocent of the charges laid against her This is why I find the play rather strange because Euripides is being accused of being anti women, but it is quite clear from his writings that he is not Of the plays that I have read, particularly the ones involving women, they are the tragic figures Consider Medea, Hecabe, Helen, and Iphangenia They were all innocent of any crimes, yet suffered simply because they were women In fact, with regards to Medea, it is Jason that is considered to be the antagonist by tossing Medea out of his bed for a younger, influential, woman However, the charges that Euripides and in a way Aristophanes is that the women of then modern Athens, were nothing like those women in Euripides plays In fact they came nowhere close to them in virtue Remember, at this time Athens was in the middle of a very long and drawn out war, which means that a lot of the young men were off fighting leaving only the women, the children, and the elderly at home in Athens It is suggested here, and it is the bait that Euripides uses to free Mnesilochus from the Thesmophoria, namely that while the cat is away then the mice are at play Of course, you don t want anybody telling the husbands what their women were up to when they returned, and in a way this is a reflection of the Orestia, despite that play being written prior to the Peloponesian War.

  2. says:

    Eur pides tem conhecimento que durante uma celebra o em honra das Deusas Tesm forias Dem ter e Pers fone ir haver uma conspira o das mulheres contra ele porque nas suas trag dias diz mal delas Como esse festival interdito a homens, convence um parente a disfar ar se de mulher para dar uma palavra a seu favor O Parente aceita e inicia se a par diaUma pe a que se l bem e diverte O mesmo n o digo da Introdu o.

  3. says:

    LAS TESMOFORIANTES o LAS FIESTAS DE CERES Y PROSERPINA de Arist fanes MUJER PRIMERA Qu ultrajes hay que no nos prodigue Nos llama ad lteras, desenvueltas, borrachas, traidoras, charlatanas, in tiles para nada de provecho, peste de los hombres con lo cual cuando nuestros maridos vuelven del teatro nos miran de reojo y registran la casa para ver si hay oculto alg n amante Esta obra de Arist fanes trata de ridiculizar a Eur pides uno de mis autores favoritos pero con una base bien realista, la excesiva culpa o visi n negativa que se les da a las hero nas en sus obras As la obra empieza con Eur pides recurriendo a su suegro Mnes loco para que lo pueda salvar de las mujeres que reunidas en las fiestas Tesmoforias en honor a D meter y su hija Pers fone traman hacer pagar a Eur pides muy caro el terrible atropello que se realiza contra las costumbres y el honor de las mujeres en sus obras de teatro Es ocasi n para Arist fanes de burlarse del estilo enrevesado en los parlamentos de las obras de Eur pides se toman varias frases reales de sus obras , de otros poetas o dramaturgos, como Agat n o Cl stenes, a los que se les representa vanidosos o amanerados y desde luego recurrir a obscenidades o temas sexuales para acarrear la risa del p blico Y es que para poder estimar la obra en su real contexto es necesario pensar que somos atenienses de la poca que muchas de esas costumbres y personajes generales o pol ticos son insultados o denostados Desde luego tambi n muy interesante es conocer frases u obras de autores perdidos o simplemente de obras perdidas que se mencionan tambi n durante este libro.Esta pieza a mi parecer tiene bastantes partes medio aburridas que no fueron de mi agrado por eso mi puntuaci n.

  4. says:

    Funny, the argument is quite reminiscent of that scandal in Rome centuries later, when Clodius Pulcher got this mad idea to disguise himself as a woman to intrude into the females only Bona Dea festival, that got him in hot water and his lover Pompeia Sulla sent back in disgrace and divorced by Caesar Maybe he was inspired by this play, heh.Only that whilst the Roman heretic s action had seduction in mind, Aristophanes comedy has the the motive of self defence Of sorts Euripides, the heterodox playwright, is told the news that there s a women s assembly at the goddesses festival, the Thesmophoria, where they ll discuss what punishment to impose on him for portraying women so badly in his plays, and decides to insert a spy to defend him and sway the women s opinion But he gets no other candidate for the task than a man, who gets caught and sentenced to death for the blasphemy The way Euripides schemes to save Mnesilochus is the funniest part together with the latter s defence of the tragedian, which does harm than good in reality Aristophanes really loves to mock his fellow writers as much as he loves poking fun at the fair sex, because apart from Euripides, he also takes aim at a famed poet of his time and parodies other tragedians s lines and choruses This is one of his better comedies, in my opinion.

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    Euripides, real life author of ridiculous gore trip Bacchae, is considered a misogynist twonk by the women of Greece, who apparently reasonably call for his beheading for leading their menfolk against them with his vitriolic hate speech plays Unsure how to react to this clear and brutal criticism, Euripides arranges for a sycophantic and hapless relative to drag up and infiltrate the women s gathering in order to sing his praises.I m not sure what to make of this play, frankly It s got farce than Lysistrata, with silly stories of sexual encounters, doting mothers, theartre lampoons and a useless Scythian guard led by his willy who in my B.B Rogers edition had an incomprehensible speech impediment , but it didn t feel quite as fun Part of the problem for me is Aristophanes was taking the piss out of a real life playwright and famous actors of the time, and if you don t know much Ancient Greek history or many plays of Euripdes you ll need to constantly refer to notes in the text, and needing a joke explained to you pretty much kills the humour.Sadly, I think I read this far too early in my current new adventure into the Greek plays Not a beginner s Aristophanes, basically.

  6. says:

    Boy, I m not sure why Aristophanes satirized Euripides so much, but I can say one thing it s so funny when he does In this play which has a super complicated, super long title , Euripides faces conviction from a group of disgruntled women because they don t like Euripides protrayal of women in his plays Like I may have said before, I feel like I used to see Euripides as a serious figure, but it is hard to have that view any because of Aristophanes Further, I really appreciate having these vernacular plays from Aristophanes simply because they are much, much accessible than the mythical tragedies.

  7. says:

    Read this after reading an article in The New York Review of Books which posited that Euripides wrote The Bacchae as a response to this play The usual sequence is that the comic writer writes his comedy as a satire of an existing tragedy After reading this play again, I can definitely see where the author of the article is coming from.I wish that I could find an edition of Aristophanes that would provide really good notes on what is being parodied and how Anyone have any recommendations in that regard

  8. says:

    Thesmophoriazusae by AristophanesIn ancient Greece, the women have a celebration Thesmophoria.And male characters wish to and make the necessary adaptations to attend, with funny results at times.I am not taken aback by this play, but I need to write down that I have been trying it.In fact, before getting on with it this morning I had wondered if it is not included in the category tried but near miss.The name sounds familiar and Aristophanes, great author that he is, does not fit my profile of favorite author.I am not arrogant enough to make a judgment call he is just not up my alley Today the women at the festivalAre going to kill me for insulting themThis is the starting point, from where the need to infiltrate the women s assembly is expressed and then Agathon is asked to attend it.I found Agathon to be funny in a way, although it may not be politically correct, for he seems to be somewhat gay.He dresses in women s clothes, but on the other hand, in Ancient Greece intimate relationships between men were the norm.At the women s assembly, they debate the question of Euripides and how to punish him Euripides has given the wrong advice to men We need to lose him There are plenty of reasons to do thatThen another effeminate known homosexual shows up to reveal that a man is attending the assembly.However humorous scholars and readers may rightfully find this work, it is not all that amusing to me, but I do not get it and it s my fault.It must be said that the historical role of Aristophanes is clear and not disputed Who am I to judge This is just a question of taste, from one point on, since these are not scholarly notes and indeed one is better advised to read reviews by professionals and not amateurs like me.You may have the time of your life reading ThesmophoriazusaeI did not.

  9. says:

    This is easily the most entertaining Aristophanes play that I ve read Consistently funny, and surprisingly timeless compared to his political works The basic plot is that Euripides is going to be tried by a group of disgruntled females because they feel he demeans them in his plays His solution is to send his buddy into their circle dressed up as a woman to defend Euripides s case If that doesn t interest you at all, you might need to consider the fact that you are humorless.

  10. says:

    Me gusta mucho que en mi clase de g nero dramatico estemos leyendo comedias, es que es lo primero del genero que leo y vaya cosa Este griego la tenia clara, sabia a quien trabajar y como hacerlo Utiliza un lenguaje fresco, que para nada parece escrito hace milenios Me re en mas de una ocasi n y eso es dificil de lograr En conclusi n, quiero leer m s.

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