Ἱστορίαι

Ἱστορίαι The Peloponnesian War BCE Was The Greatest Disturbance In Greek History To That Time The Bitter Rivalry Between The Two Chief City States, Athens And Sparta, And Their Respective Allies Ended With The Ruin Of Athens Naval Hegemony And What The Greek Historian Thucydides Ca BCE Called A Convulsion Affecting All Humankind With The Detachment Of A Clinician And The Dramatic Skill Of A Poet, Thucydides Recreates The Often Savage Events Of The War And Brings To Life Its Chief Protagonists Pericles, Nicias, Cleon, Alcibiades, And Others The First Of The Scientific Historians, Thucydides Makes Use Of Documentary Material And Relies On Eyewitness Accounts Even Where Direct Documentary Evidence Is Lacking, His Keen Understanding Of Human Nature Helps Him To Uncover The Truth Of What Actually Happened The Loftiness Of Its Ideals, Its Painstaking Research, And Its Beauty Of Expression Have Made The History Of The Peloponnesian War A Work That Is In The Author S Own Words, A Possession For All Time

, Thoukyd d s was a Greek historian and author of the History of the Peloponnesian War, which recounts the 5th century B.C war between Sparta and Athens to the year 411 B.C Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history due to his strict standards of evidence gathering and analysis in terms of cause and effect without reference to intervention by the gods, as outlined in his introduction to his work.He has also been called the father of the school of political realism, which views the relations between nations as based on might rather than right His classical text is still studied at advanced military colleges worldwide, and the Melian dialogue remains a seminal work of international relations theory.More generally, Thucydides showed an interest in developing an understanding of human nature to explain behaviour in such crises as plague, genocide as practised against the Melians , and civil war Excerpted from

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  • Ἱστορίαι
  • Thucydides
  • English
  • 17 April 2017
  • 9780393971675

10 thoughts on “Ἱστορίαι

  1. says:

    Towards the end of this book I had a flashback of watching an episode of Mastermind in the 80s, the contestant had chosen the Spartan military as their specialist subject was asked being asked by Magnus Magnusson, the Icelandic Viking who swooped down from the north to Britain as a child to become a TV quiz host, why the Spartans had stopped their campaign on one particular occasion and gone home The correct answer was that this was in response to an earthquake Judging by Thucydides history that could have been a lucky guess The best way to maintain a reputation as fierce some warriors is not to fight, but to be frightening, and the Spartans seem to have displayed a rare skill in finding reasons in the shape of a sacrificed animal s liver or a passing earthquake or a religious festival for either staying home or returning there.I found Thucydides difficult to start view spoiler the translation might have been an issue hide spoiler

  2. says:

    Favorite quote The absence of romance in my history will, I fear, detract somewhat from its interest, but if it is judged worthy by those inquirers who desire an exact knowledge of the past as an aid to the understanding of the future, which in the course of human things must resemble if it does not reflect it, I shall be content.In fine I have written my work not as an essay with which to win the applause of the moment but as a possession for all time Thucydides

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    If you ever wanted to tackle Thucydides, this is the way to do it It s beautifully laid out, with helpful maps and other material The reading experience is profoundly moving, not really for the style but for the sheer weight of human folly on display This should be required reading for politicians of all stripes.

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    I first read Thucydides in college, using Rex Warner s translation in the Penguin edition As a frosh with little background in ancient history and political science, I didn t have the proper perspective to realize Th s critical place in western historiography and political thought As a junior, I re read Th., this time in a course on ancient historians At that point, having had modest exposure to Hobbes, Machiavelli, Burke, Clausewitz and the like, I was better equipped to appreciate Th s method particularly his analyses in the vein of what we d call realism today Last year I tackled Th again, this time in Strassler s amazing Landmark edition, and I am grateful that it was available for my third go at probably the most difficult classical author I ve run into I won t go into details on Th himself I m not a historian and anything I say expounding on how great he was, etc will of course come off as amateurish and pointless I will go into how much I admire the product of Strassler s labor of love he s an unaffiliated scholar in producing the Landmark edition First of all, the translation is refreshingly readable and doesn t have the relative stuffiness of an early 20th century Oxbridge rendering which, er, I actually rather enjoy every now and then Second, the marginal timelines, the extensive but not suffocating footnotes, and maps all carefully placed next to the relevant narrative make it unnecessary for the reader to flip pages and lose the flow of the story Further, its appendices are a treasure trove of ancillary information there is background information on the Athenian polis and imperial administration and the corresponding systems on the Peloponnesian side discussions of the technical aspects of ancient warfare and pages on other topics such as the currency, religion and ethnic groups of the Greeks, each written by a specialist.In summary, I have nothing but good things to say about this edition I only wish I d been able to use it as an undergraduate I also note that Strassler has just come out with a similar edition of Herodotus Can t wait to check that one out

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    What I love about the best ancient Greek literature is how startlingly modern it could be This is particularly true of Euripides whom I regard as a 21st century dramatist and The History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides The accounts of the Corcycran revolution, the so called Melian Dialogue in which Athens shows itself to be somewhat less enlightened than reputed , and the utter disaster of the Sicilian Expedition can just as easily be taking place now in remote parts of the world.The Peloponnesian War even had its own Neocon in Alcibiades He was largely responsible for Athens undertaking the Sicilian Expedition, only to be called back by the Athenian leadership for sacrilege Thereupon, he made his escape at Thurii, went over to the Spartans, where he gave them excellent advice in combating the Athenians Then, when the Spartans began to suspect him, he went over to Tissaphernes, the Persian Governor of Asia Minor Later still, he returned to Athens I recommend the Rex Warner translation but urge readers to have a copy of The Landmark Thucydides at hand for its numerous and excellent maps, if not for its somewhat archaic translation by Richard Crawley.

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    , , , 5 homo universalis

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    If you are going to read Thucydides, the Landmark version is the best place to start I read this after I became a fan of Strassler s The Landmark Herodotus The Histories For me, there is not much better than Thucydides speeches The Funeral Oration of Pericles , Diodotus to the Athenian Ecclesia , Demosthenes to his troops at Pylos Nicias before the last sea fight are all some of the most interesting, moving and inspiring speeches and harangues EVER written Thucydides HOPW Landmark edition is filled with enough maps, appendices, marginal notes and summaries that Strassler well girds the modern student of the Peloponnesian war for the challenge that is Thucydides Strassler and his team has updated and improved the Crawley translation which is a gem This book is a must for students of the classics, politics, history and war Hell, even if you are just interested in a good story, Thucydides tells a good one This is an amazing and beautiful piece of history.

  8. says:

    Courage in the face of reality ultimately distinguishes such natures as Thucydides and Plato Plato is a coward in the face of reality consequently he flees into the ideal Thucydides has himself under control consequently he retains control over things. Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols

  9. says:

    Probably 4.5 stars due to Thucydides dry narrative but an awesome read Political stupidity has not changed.

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    3.5 starsFinally I could finish reading this book after many intervals of being content with what I knew, I didn t claim I enjoyed all of eight book Thucydides s account Compared to the other history classic of similar stature, Herodotus s The Histories translated by Aubrey de Selincourt, I think, is enjoyable and impressive regarding the world as viewed by the Greek historian in the fifth century B.C Contrastively in a smaller scale, Thucydides has ambitiously depicted the twenty seven year conflicts between Athens and Sparta with innumerable sieges, commanders, strategies and so on till we simply can t help getting confused, praying when each book would ever end.The reason why I decided to read it is that many years ago I read some excerpts of Pericles funeral oration somewhere and longed to read it in full Definitely one of the greatest orators in history, he has since impressed posterity to the extent that few can surpass him as we read from his 7.5 page oration nos 35 46 It s a bit lengthy, I think, for those who would read him for the first time therefore, the following three extracts should suffice in the meantime.First, his opening statement Many of those who have spoken here in the past have praised the institution of this speech at the close of our ceremony It seemed to them a mark of honour to our soldiers who have fallen in war that a speech should be made over them I do not agree These men have shown themselves valiant in action, and it would be enough, I think, for their glories to be proclaimed in action, as you have just seen it done at this funeral organized by the state Our belief in the courage and manliness of so many should not be hazarded on the goodness or badness of one man s speech p 144 Then, in praise of those fallen soldiers This, then, is the kind of city for which these men, who could not bear the thought of losing her, nobly fought and nobly died It is only natural that every one of us who survive them should be willing to undergo hardships in her service And it was for this reason that I have spoken at such length about our city, because I wanted to make it clear that for us there is at stake than there is for others who lack our advantages also I wanted my words of praise for the dead to be set in the bright light of evidence And now the most important of these words has been spoken I have sung the praise of our city but it was the courage and gallantry of these men, and of people like them, which made her splendid p 148 Finally, in conclusion I have now, as the law demanded, said what I had to say For the time being our offerings to the dead have been made, and for the future their children will be supported at the public expense by the city, until they come of age This is the crown and prize which she offers, both to the dead and to their children, for the ordeals which they have faced Where the rewards of valour are the greatest, there you will find also the best and bravest spirits among the people And now, when you have mourned for your dear ones, you must depart p 151 In brief, I think reading this book should inform and inspire its readers on the futility in terms of atrocities of war, being those ancient, medieval, premodern or modern ones till we wonder if there is really peace to all humankind and when.

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